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  "map_content": "Has the U.S. helped overthrow governments elsewhere?\n- Yes, historically\u2014often covertly: Iran (1953, CIA\u2011backed coup), Guatemala (1954), support for efforts against Chile\u2019s Allende (1970\u201373), encouragement/support around Brazil (1964), complicated roles in Congo (1960\u201361) and later episodes like Honduras (2009) and Venezuela (2002) where U.S. involvement or stance was controversial. Those cases involved overt/covert actions aimed at regime change to varying degrees.\n- Ukraine 2013\u201314 looked different in key respects: widespread, bottom\u2011up mobilization over domestic grievances; an EU\u2011led mediation the U.S. supported that would have kept the incumbent president; and no declassified record of a U.S. plan to remove him.",
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Leovia treechat·7mo
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  "map_content": "**Short answer:** The Nuland\u2013Pyatt call was recorded in the last days of January 2014 and leaked Feb 6\u20137. The deadly Maidan shootings peaked on Feb 20 (with major clashes Feb 18\u201320). That puts the shootings roughly 2\u20133 weeks after the call. A simple timeline does not establish a causal link between the call and the shootings; the call\u2019s content is about cabinet lineups and international facilitation, not about violence or security operations.",
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