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  "map_content": "I was pretty heavy duty into Carllson's take on the deluge & evidential slurry found within geological record.  I have read Hamlet's Mill (& Magicians of the Gawds, not a Hancock fan at this point) unto which they reference\u2014shit, lean on like a brass rail\u2014for the alternative history of the world. Astromonk & Carlson had an unfortunate falling out which has made the situation difficult to parse to say the least--& Every. One. Of. Them. Has. A. Book.  I believe they would all be more honest if they would just write books mudslinging each other rather than trying to admonish people about alternative realities. I am a large proponent for the Younger Dryas hypothesis, however, they can drop all the mystical conflation nonsense & stick to actual facts rather than hoping to sell people information that's literally readily available if you go looking\u2014all it costs is time.  It's kind of sad because I like the way Carlson presents information, but I don't wanna take any of them seriously at this point bc, hell, I've opined a novella as a response to you just based on these dipshits arguing!  They could sell me a bridge spanning some karst topography in rural China before I'm going to pay heed to anything these morons are saying about esoteric ideas let alone higher dimensionality",
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manifestablevia treechat·4mo
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  "map_content": "I hear where you are coming from. Always valuable to stay vigilant especially around subjects that you have a vested interest in so as not to invite vampires through front doors so to speak.",
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ArsObKSCvia treechat·4mo
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  "map_content": "Bret, you're a good one. I'm glad you recognize the difference between different perspectives & just negative talk. Some of these ideas are really intriguing and inspiring, but they're also dangerous to people not well constituted, or, let me rephrase, people not well-constituted can be easily misled by their own sense of hope & longing.  You get it so I will cease with the choir preaching. \ud83d\ude0e\ud83e\udd20\ud83e\udd18",
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manifestablevia treechat·4mo
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  "map_content": "Yes, exactly. You nailed it. I have a series of hypothetical explanations for all this that are hard to discuss with people (even with myself) because they're all so tenuous and loosely held together in my head. \r\n\r\nBut basically, you got it exactly. There are varying degrees of self-reflective boundary conditions. These conditions define our capacity to coordinate what Dr. Michael Levin calls our multi-scale competency architecture. And these boundaries give rise to new modes and models of self-interpretation and directed agentic self-actualization. \r\n\r\nSo for varying people who're at different coordinate points on this integrative self-reflective pattern pathway, the various different information at the junction points communicate different directives and represent different degrees of ordered coordination. \r\n\r\nImportantly, this happens on both the individual but also on the social levels, and you cannot conflate these or assume that one stands in for the other. And this is a primary point of emphasis, especially in respect to the application to bitcoin technologies and big vs small block value structures because effectively, the small-block narrative (in my humble estimation) is trying to implement a philosophical framework that depends on the virtues of collectivism being the natural progression of the extension of self. In other words... when we become agentic enough and self-directed enough, we evolve to a form of collectivism.\r\n\r\nIn this example, collectivism is like the butterfly.. self-direction and agentic activity is like the caterpillar. \r\n\r\nAnd to be totally honest, it is very hard not to assume this as the logical conclusion of the maturity and manifestation of Self.\r\n\r\nI believe this is the remnants of a post-modern philosophy, perhaps even a deconstructionist philosophy, which rightfully sees the flaws in a purely centralized model of something and says the best way to evolve out of a reliance on centralized structures is for \"all structures to be equal.\" The classic example of this is the participation trophy meme where we flatten the meritocracy of our subjective and often biased value judgement mechanisms as a direct counter-point to the inherent flaws in the centralized model. But ultimately, I think big blockers see that this might be a model which correctly identifies the flaws in a centralized model, and therefore represents at least some progress, ultimately, it throws the baby with the bathwater because it assumes that the only just counteraction to such a model is to homogenize the space of participation (raspberry pis) because this egalitarian model assures that the threats to decentralzied modeling are mmitigated by ensuring that no threat can ever emerge over and above any other network participant. \r\n\r\nThe big block model I think argues correctly that the point is not to eliminate the dependency on wholescale large service providers who prove value through the meritocracy of their efforts, i.e. dynamic robust capitalism empowered at the micropayment scale, but actually, the key innovation in to structure such a system so that the health of the whole is incentivized by the self-directed coordination of these distributed external service providers in such a way as they're economically incentivized to provide value to the system (which depends and relies on scale, hence the big blocker's being correct.)\r\n\r\nSo what this repesents within the context of my interpretive modeling is the shift from the idea that the homogenization of the individuals to fit a collective ideal which allows for the propogation of information nimbly by virtue of the fact that we're all acting as substrates within the higher collective self (which is an instinct to become subservient to higher-order effects just like there is an evolutionay impulse in cellular biology to allow for coordinated neural pathways to broaden the scope of a cell's goals from its own limited nature into a deeper nature via coordination through the multi-scale competency architecture of a coordinated bodily system being directed via the emergence of a central nervous system, a limbic system, a vascular system, muscular and skeletal systems, etc. where now instead of me existing is a Ho-Hum single cell wondering how to acquire enough metabolic substantive wherewithal to justify my own consumption strategies, now I get to say, Ok, I'll stop thinking about my own metabolic patterns and pathways, I'll assume the neural network to which I'm connected is appropriately managing this, and instead, I'll become a specialized cell (like a liver cell) that just gets really really good a tthe thing that livers do, i.e. cleaning blood. And I'll assume if I'm good at cleaning blood as a part of this higher-tier multi-scale competency architecture, I'll just naturally find balance and accord in terms of my metabolic demands and requirements because otherwise, I represent a threat to the higher-level goals of the system to which I am participating....)\r\n\r\nAnd so partially, we, as modern, agentic, self-sovereign, cognitive systems, we have this instinct within us to simply become a \"part of the ship, part of the crew\" that is a drive and has existed within us and supported our growth to this point for literally millions if not billions of years going back to our emergence as eukaryotes or prokaryote systems and our need to continually preserve and manage the evolutionarily significant information whcih can lead to our achieveing this higher and higher degrees of cognition, agency, self-direction, etc.\r\n\r\nSo when we're standing on the shoulders of giants in terms of our evolutionary biological instincts and we're saying, NO, our instinct is not to join the collective in hopes that we'll form some deeper model of coordination, but now, having accessed this deeper realm of abstract symbol-logic and self-directed agentic capacity, we say, actually the best pathway is for us to REMAIN distinct, but to get better at the ways in which we share and communicate and exchange peer to peer private information such that some portions of the network don't have access to the entire history of data from which to make decisions (the entire point of building a solution that replaces a centralized model to begin with) then we see that we come to this evolutionary threshold point beyond which very few have ever ventured and for which we stand and represent possibly the entire purpose and potentiality of life in the very first place.",
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manifestablevia treechat·4mo
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  "map_content": "My belief which I don't see anyone else talking about...is that the pattern pathways which move through this system of varying degrees of multi-scale competency architecture are self-reflective boundary conditions. \r\n\r\nI use the examples of dimensionality all the time in my explanations for this model because I think they're the most basic and straight-forward examples. So if we consider the concept of a 1-dimensional object, in a way, we can consider it as a \"whole\" object, but we can also consider it as a confluence of multiple objects. Those objects are the 1 dimensionality of the object itself combined with the two zero-dimensional boundary conditions which define it. \r\n\r\nMy argument is that the process of evolution is the process by which this object moves between the conditions of either its self or its boundary. So in other words, the first-person perspective moves between these fluidly. And there's no real signal when you're seeing from the view of the boundary vs. the object. It all feels identical to the first-person view. \r\n\r\nThis is symbolized in many of our phrases, \"when it rains, it pours,\" or \"sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you,\" etc. And what ultimately happens is in this process we tend to accept one orientation and reject another. And what equanimity is and the process of integrating these functionalities is the capacity to release our self-identification with the system such that we have the ability to recognize that the conditions do not define the entirety of the model. In other words, the function which the program calls itself is not the program. And calling a false function doesn't equate with the program itself being false, etc. but that these are deeper components of an integrated system and its various views are simply elements of the terrain that it touches. \r\n\r\nIf you think of this religiously, you could imagine it in the context of God's love. Just because God's love EXTENDS to the depths of those suffering in hellish environment, doesn't mean it is defined by or a product of that Hell.\r\n\r\nThat ultimately it is simply the pathways and patterns of self-awareness that guide upwards and outwards into higher and higher degrees of self-intuition and this includes the views as being both the object of interest and also simultaneously AS its boundaries. \r\n\r\nAnd that this is a tried-and-true process basically for the model of self-liberation... and this system itself follows the very geometry of the evoltuion of dimensionality itself including the conditions for the boundaries, i.e. 1-d is bounded by two 0-d points. 2-d objects bounded by 4 1-d lines, etc.\r\n\r\nUpwards to the point of the orientation and integration with the 4th dimensional framework for the existence and the boundary of Self which extends beyond mere material qualifictions in terms of the orthogonality of X, Y and Z coordinate access, but a 4th dimensional orthogonality which itself is a reflection (hence orthogonal) and this births a new set of boundary conditions which themselves are 3dimensional in nature. \r\n\r\nI believe bitcoin is the first example of this in the real world which is beyond theoretical and is actually implemented in practice.",
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