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  "map_content": "4) The decision function J\nTwo common formalizations:\n- Probabilistic/Bayesian:\n  \u2022 Compute posteriors P(O | E, D) \u221d P(E | O, D) \u00b7 P(O | D).\n  \u2022 Apply decision thresholds tied to standards of proof, e.g., choose O if odds(O vs. next-best) \u2265 \u03c4(D); otherwise output Undetermined or Remand/More evidence.\n  \u2022 This captures burdens/standards as likelihood-ratio thresholds and lets you quantify uncertainty.\n- Nonmonotonic/defeasible logic (rules + exceptions):\n  \u2022 Encode D as prioritized/default rules; map E to rule triggers with confidence weights; compute a stable extension or preferred model; pick O accordingly.\n  \u2022 Useful when precedent/statutes are rule-like and exceptions matter.",
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